You are viewing tnh

Wed, Apr. 19th, 2006, 10:13 pm
Buffismo: vampiric true names

Angelus wasn't Angelus; he was Liam. Spike was William. "Darla" wasn't a name when Darla was turned. And we have to assume that a pious Catholic family wouldn't have named a daughter Drusilla. What, then, was Drusilla's name?

Answer: We don't know, but I strongly suspect it was Agnes. Three iterations of the song about the lamb in the blackberry patch is a bit too much for an arbitrary detail.

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 02:37 am (UTC)
filkerdave

Personally, I think it was Giles in the Study with the Candlestick.

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 02:46 am (UTC)
scifantasy

I've always been amused that I share a given name with both of the ensouled vampires. *grin*

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 03:28 am (UTC)
tazlet

And we have to assume that a pious Catholic family wouldn't have named a daughter Drusilla.

Even if Papa was a classical scholar?

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 03:42 am (UTC)
gtrout

Why wouldn't a nice pious Catholic family name a daughter Drusilla?

Google's of no help here: it's telling me that the name means "sturdy" or possibly "fruitful." Unless the problem is that there isn't a Saint Drusilla out there somewhere? I can only find one, and her hagiography is highly suspect. Anyway, now I Need to Know, and it's all your fault.

(I'm assuming this isn't some kinda in-joke that hinges on knowledge of the Buffyverse, in which I am shockingly lacking. Sooner or later I must take you up on that DVD-lending offer.)

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 04:14 am (UTC)
malkingrey

Drusilla was the name of one of Caligula's sisters; the more gossipy of the historical sources assert that she was also his lover. (Granted, Caligula was enough of a fruitbat -- even by Julio-Claudian standards -- that gossip could have said almost anything about him and somebody would probably have believed it.)

Anyhow, "Drusilla" would have been a name with decidedly lurid connotations for the classically-educated.

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 04:28 am (UTC)
(Anonymous)

Yeah. It's much more the sort of name the daughter of a classicist would give herself as an outrageous gesture after being turned.

I think you've got Dru's number, T. Agnes sounds very likely.

Mon, Apr. 24th, 2006 12:28 am (UTC)
tnh

More than highly suspect: there is no St. Drusilla. Fortunately, understanding this doesn't depending on knowing obscure details of the Buffyverse.

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 04:41 am (UTC)
cynthia1960

I agree that Drusilla's baptismal name was probably more pious, Agnes sounds good. Interestingly enough, my very Catholic family managed to sneak a pagan first name into the mix for me (and this is just before the reforms of Vatican II) along with more acceptable middle and confirmation names.

Mon, Apr. 24th, 2006 12:19 am (UTC)
tnh

How did you get away with Cynthia? Was it just a sufficiently well-established pagan name?

My thoroughly non-Catholic family stuck me with two saints: one reputable, one dis-. Later, when I legally changed my name, I added an additional middle name, for reasons that would take a lot of explaining. Thus it was that when I was confirmed, I declined to take a further saint's name, on the grounds that Teresa Barbara Sophronia is enough for anyone.

Mon, Apr. 24th, 2006 03:10 am (UTC)
cynthia1960

My mother wanted Antoinette Rene, but my father's mother overruled her (I already had a cousin named Cynthia on the Hawai'i side of the family). I figured I would have ended up being called "Tony" (it's a unwritten rule for Portuguese families to have at least five close relatives with some name derived from Anthony and that includes the girls). St. Anthony of Padua, despite his name, is Portuguese and is one of the country's patron saints. My middle name is Ann and my confirmation name is Claire, so I've got Jesus's grandma and St. Francis's best friend backing me up. The last patroness came in quite handy during my college years at Santa Clara, as I walked past the Mission church on the way to finals.

Barbara Sophronia as your other names? That's pretty impressive. My father's sister is Barbara Ronalda.

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 06:50 am (UTC)
clanwilliam

Of course, the fact that three of them are incredibly unlikely characters in a historical sense is irrelevant...

Every time I see that scene of Drusilla at confession, I start muttering "here in Ankh-Morpork we're on loam, love".

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 09:11 am (UTC)
tnh

I figure they're all from Some Other Country, one where their history and their accents make sense. Since no one has heard of the place, they find it more convenient to to refer to their places of origin as Ireland or Virginia or London, much as the Coneheads explain that They Are From France.

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 09:13 pm (UTC)
malkingrey

It's the same alternate universe as the one where all the historical flashbacks in Highlander take place, most likely.

Mon, Apr. 24th, 2006 12:14 am (UTC)
tnh

I've never gotten around to systematically watching the show, but that was my impression.

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 06:55 am (UTC)
merlinpole

[One way to tell one has been up way past one's appropriate bedtime... when one is reading a comment from tnh regarding "Angelus wasn't Angelus...." and suddenly gets earwormed by "Angelus, ad pastores ait..." out of IIRC Scheidt's Missa in B flat, in eight voices....]

Thu, Apr. 20th, 2006 10:09 am (UTC)
bigscary

Aha. Hiding their True Names explains their longevity as compared to all the other stakebait we see, who seem lucky to live out a few nights.

Mon, Apr. 24th, 2006 12:14 am (UTC)
tnh

In the dark, no one can tell you're wearing a red shirt.